Lorehaven and Why Geek Matters

Yes, my action figures are cherry

E. Stephen Burnett, editor of the forthcoming Lorehaven magazine, has written a post over at SpeculativeFaith.com called “Should Christian Fans Call Ourselves ‘Geeks’?” Lorehaven is a joint venture of SpeculativeFaith.com and Splickety, announced at the most recent Realm Makers confetence. Basically, it’s a free magazine for speculative fiction fans slated to deliver its first issue this fall.

Burnet begins his article on geeks with the following statement:

“All ‘geeks’ are fantastic story fans. But not all fantastic story fans are geeks.
And when we as Christians-who-are-fans speak of being ‘geeky,’ or fully embrace the “geek” identity by name, we risk accidentally sidelining other family members.”

One of the people he gives as an example is Mike Duran, who apparently had this to say after the Realm Makers conference this year:

“I like a lot of the same characters and stories my fellow writers like. Star Wars. Star Trek. X-Men. Captain America. The Flash. Harry Potter. Vampires. Werewolves. I’m into all that stuff…. I’m just not SO into them that I want to dress up as a Jedi Knight, a Transformer, or a zombie and memorize the canonical histories of said characters.

“This can all make for some uncomfortable situations. Like the Friday night gala where I wore some Dockers and a polo shirt. The first person I walked up to that evening, I did not recognize the character they were dressed as. So I asked. And felt quite stupid afterwards. So I typically sit in the back during these events, not because I’m embarrassed being around such a lively, colorful crowd, but because I just feel a little out of place.”

Wait. What? You wore Dockers and a polo shirt when you could’ve cosplayed or just worn a fandom T-shirt. [Update: It turns out thst Realm Makers’ policy is to either wear cosplay or something nice at the dinner he wss attending. We’ll overlook the fact that Mike ostensibly feels a polo shirt is something nice in favor of the fact that a fandom shirt would be prohibited under such a policy.]

Our friend and fellow artist JR Earls demonstrates how to correctly rock cosplay. Note the absence of polo shirt..

But wait. There’s more:

“So, you ask, what am I doing at this type of writers convention? Good question. Mostly I love stories. I love to talk theology and sociology and trends in pop culture. I am fascinated by myth, creativity, and the archetypes that stir us. I perk up when we talk about the writing industry and how Christian creatives can be the salt of the earth. I wrestle with the role of artists in the Church and our struggle to find a place in the Body. I stop what I’m doing to join conversations about comparative religions and the parameters of sound doctrine. I grouse about the decline of Western Civilization and marvel at how God seeds hope through fictional tales.

“I’m not sure what kind of geek this is. But whatever it is, I am it.

“Much is made about such writing/comic cons being a place where oddballs can find their tribe. Thing is, I’m learning there’s another kind of oddball there. We may not see them as having “geek cred.” They won’t be recognized by their elaborate costumes or ability to cite random episodes from every season of Dr. Who. But they’re as much a part of the tribe as the Nerfwar veterans.

“Memo to geek culture — don’t forget the strangers in your midst.

“So if you happen upon me at a writer’s con and I’m not dressed up as an elf or a wookie, take heart in the fact that I’m probably discussing the boundaries of theology in spec-fic, postmodern theory, or the compatibility of a biblical worldview with the horror genre.”

Heavens me! That whole bit just confirms my initial suspicions. He’s like a man who goes to a theme park, but doesn’t ride the rides or play games on the midway or even get his picture taken with Sassy the Squirrel. Instead, he sits on a bench waiting around for an opportunity to discuss the physics of roller coasters. He’s the guy at poolside with his Dockers rolled up to allow him to dip his toes in the water,  lamenting that he doesn’t like diving or swimming but he’d be happy to talk about how he’d rather be somewhere else doing… anything else, but won’t you buy his books about the joy of swimming?

Weird Al on Geek Problems: The only question that I thought was hard…

His chubby outsider status is no accident. He’s actively cultivating it. It’s his choice not to try anything new. It’s his choice not to partake of the geek culture he benefits from as a writer.  He shouldn’t expect us to provide him a safe space. He shouldn’t expect us to excuse his apathy toward geek culture. In fact, he shouldn’t be calling attention to the fact that he cares so little for the culture he sells to. It’s actually very, very unprofessional. I mean, can you imagine Stephen King or Clive Barker doing this?

And would it kill these guys to do a little research and at least pick a side in the DC versus Marvel “rivalry”? At least out of respect for the geeks who buy their books? The difference between Mike (and other Generalists) and I is that “I’m probably discussing the boundaries of theology in spec-fic, postmodern theory, or the compatibility of a biblical worldview with” my speculative fiction genres WHILE DRESSED IN COSPLAY. Oh wait. You really can do both!

E. Stephen Burnett ends his article with a few words about Lorehaven and the word “geek”:

“Yet for my Lorehaven book club, coming this September, I doubt I’ll use the term a lot. I’d rather show I love these stories because they help me love my Savior. And I’d rather show that “being a geek” is no strange novelty. Rather, humanity’s natural-born love for fantastic stories should unite all persons who love Jesus more than such stories—whether or not they cosplay, swap superhero trivia, or act holier-than-thou in any particular fandom.”

Notice how he paints the Generalist attitude toward geek culture and fandoms as a good thing. Being passionate about geek fandoms is painted as bad because some people haven’t bothered to understand it and don’t see the point and they feel left out when we start, well, geeking out over our fandoms.

Because they aren’t about the fandoms; They’re about the stories they SELL to the fandoms.

So if he’s saying that Lorehaven will distance themselves from the word geek for the sake if the book selling Generalists  and basically pretend that they don’t benefit from genres that the House of Geek built, I find that kind of disrespectful. The speculative fiction genres are part of the geek culture heritage – and it’s absurd that folks like Mike Duran want to distance themselves and remain aloof from the geek fandoms from which they benefit. “I’m not with them. Too cool. Not THAT into it,” because… ((geek)) is still a by-word, right?

It’s not cool. Not even a little bit. Geeks take our fandoms seriously. To have someone sit by and say that they’re “not SO into” my geek culture feels like they think their attitude is more reasonable. It feels snobbish. It feels especially insulting when you write speculative fiction to feed those geekdoms but pretend like it’s about the Gospel… when these same authors also write a lot of criticism of messages (and dare I say sermonizing) in speculative fiction and reduce Christian speculative fiction to speculative fiction written by Christians from a Christian worldview (whatever that means).

Maybe that’s the real problem. They’re Generalists in all regards. They don’t delve too deeply into geek culture. They don’t even want to be overtly Christian. Except in a general sense that they will defend as above criticism.

Me? I was a geek before I was a Christian. I was even beat up and persecuted because of who I am. This is my turf. I’m not faking and I’m not dabbling. I’ve cosplayed and will be happy to shame Mike Duran for being too cool to do so, especially when he’d make such a great chubby version of Keiffer Sutherland’s David (The Lost Boys).

My advice to Geek Generalists who benefit from geek culture as authors is “S#!@ or get off of the pot.” Shut up about it (because, yes, it is insulting to hear you brag about how you’re into it but only reasonably so – and, yes again, that IS how it comes off) or embrace it. Who knows? You might even like it.

But it almost doesn’t sound like Lorehaven is going to be for geeks like me. And if that’s the case, I gotta ask: What kind of book clubs are you thinking you’re going to form exactly? Do you really suppose that the Generalists care enough about fandoms to form any kind of club because they’re passionate about the fandom sort of, but not SO much? OK, maybe they care enough about selling books to geeks to make it work, but doesn’t that come with the very real danger that we’ll figure it out and despise you for it.

I’m hoping that I’m wrong about Lorehaven. I’m hoping it caters more to Geeks than Generalists because, frankly, that’s not just my market, that’s not just my audience; that’s my people.

Until we reach The Last Door,
Tony Breeden

UPDATE: As it turns out, I do owe Mike Duran an apology. See the The Realmies Strike Back: Lorehaven and Why Geeks Matters Part 2 to see why.

A big thank you to JR Earls for letting me use his Joker cosplay photo on this post. You can find JR and his geek fandom related artwork at a lot of events here in West Virginia – and he often comes as the Joker! Take a moment to check out his artwork on his Facebook page

21 thoughts on “Lorehaven and Why Geek Matters

  1. Sorry, my dude, but this is exactly the kind of arrogant and pretentious geek narcissism that the secular side of things has been devoured by. If you can't a) refrain from referring to someone's weight as somehow relevant to their points, b) separate your navel-gazing pride at how Enlightened you are and how Special you were as a Geek Kid from your actual faith, and c) understand that literally the POINT of being a geek is that your loves and interests are going to bring you into contact with all sorts of odd people who, by the very nature of geekdom are going to be different from you…
    Then you have no geek cred. You don't speak for the community, you speak only for your own narrow-minded and elitist point of view.
    Grow up, sir.
    -One of the geek girls you'd probably demand recite pointless trivia before you'd admit to my “real geek” status.


  2. You're making a stink about some very amazing people, as well as exposing your inner insecurities. It's sad you feel the need to attack people you've never met.
    I need to ask you, who hurt you so badly as a kid you feel the need to lash out at fellow believers?
    You're seriously kicking yourself in the pants with this post. I'd suggest you take it down before it reaches any more readers who may take issue with the fact that you've successfully insulted a few beloved authors…nay…an entire family of spec writers, actually.
    Chew on that for a bit.


  3. I ask this in all seriousness: Are you writing this as satire, or as fact?

    If this is satire, then I must inform you that it fails, in most epic of proportions. And if it is meant to be fact, then please take the “Christian” off your post. Do not write such mean, unloving, and hurtful words about brothers and sisters in Christ, then post it publicly.


    Does it honor Jesus Christ to have you refer to someone as “chubby”? Does it honor Jesus Christ to have you demean and insult a good man, just because his level of geek is different than yours? Like it or not, there ARE different levels of geeks. And if you've ever deigned to come to Realm Makers, you would be familiar with the dress policy for the awards night, and you would know that what he wore was perfectly acceptable and proper.

    Sir, if anyone were to read this post with the tag of “writing Christian fiction”, and they were not familiar with Christianity, your post does not speak well of Christians. It shows belittling. Arrogance. A better-than-thou attitude in regards to a man that I wonder if you've ever met, or talked to in person.

    It honestly appears like you're in an elitist geek club, and anyone who doesn't adhere to your standard shouldn't even contemplate breathing near you. And you know what? No one did. What happened at Realm Makers, and the views, beliefs, and opinions at Realm Makers are for those who are willing to share and broaden the definition of geek, all while under the banner of Christ. We embrace geeks of all types.

    But it's not a matter of someone not embracing geekdom fully or not. Each person is different, and each person has only so much time that they can dedicate to geekdom. Some even spend more time writing, reading, and being involved with other authors, and thus have less time to invest into watching dancing pixels on their screen.

    Either way, your post has worked well as click-bait. And now that I've seen your opinion and cruelty to those whom you haven't met, I have zero interest in reading your work. And for me to see that you're a preacher? I am shocked. Horrified. And saddened.

    Sir, speaking as a sister in Christ, you have hurt and offended many in the Body. And that is something that you need to address after some time in prayer with God.


  4. You embrace geeks of all types? Hmmm.

    Do you not realize that what Mike is asking Geeks like me to do is to shut up or tone down our particular level of geek in his presence because he's just not that into it? How is my level of geek welcome at Realm Makers if you and everyone else were to follow his advice? Geeks like me are passionate about the details of our fandoms; why should we have to stop our conversation just because he's there. Why cant HE find a different conversation and let geeks like me do what we do?


  5. It's Mike Duran, not Jesus, and he offended me, but that doesn't seem to be such a big deal to the clearly generalist Realm Makers cliche.

    Oh, for the record, I was beat up daily for being a geek. It matters to me. But Mike wants me and my kind of geek to be some other, more reasonable type of geek in his presence because he's just not SO into it. It's his choice not to be so into it, but why should he get to dictate to what level I get my geek on (esp. when he could simply find another conversation)?

    Of course, upon reviewing the various comments from Realm Makers participants, I can see that my kind of geek isn't really welcome anyway. While the majority of the comments seem to be based on stereotypes, it's clear that all of you despise geeks like me simply for being as invested in nuance (dare I say passionate) about our fandoms. You despise us based on how you feel; generally speaking, most geeks like me would never run off someone who didn't know much about their fandom and in fact would be happy to answer any questions. Point in fact I wasn't telling Mike that he had to step up to my level. What I was doing is encouraging him to try something. He might actually like it. But he's free to be the kind of geek that he is. He just can't dictate that I can't be the type of geek that I am around him. Especislly to the uncritical applause of his Realm Makers buddies.


  6. That is not what I do at all, but I recognize this comment from a Facebook thread, Loriann Weldon.

    The one where you wrote:

    “You claim you are the True Outsider, because you got beat up for liking the things you did when you were a kid. Good for you. We applaud your sacrifice.”

    Yeah. I don't think we'll be taking any lessons from you on Christian tolerance.


  7. Dude, I'm sorry for my negative tone on yesterday's comment. I hate that we are all eating our own here. I also hate that you've been beat up, abused and bullied. No one should ever, ever have to endure those things.
    But let me ask you this, how is bullying ever going to stop bullying? You've displayed through your words that you've become exactly what you despise. A bully.
    Listen, I know Mike can be hard to take sometimes. He'll be the first to admit that he's very opinionated and not everyone will appreciate his opinions. He enjoys stirring the pot. (I do too)
    But the post you ripped was actually one where he wasn't shouting from the rooftops, he was actually humbly admitting something about himself. That took courage. And you ripped him apart for that.
    I hope God uses all this for His glory and that you find yourself humbled through this experience. I hope people will be able to participate in some radical forgiveness.
    I hope you find your heart softened and learn from all of this. There are always lessons in the darkness. Maybe God is using this to expose something to you about yourself.
    Know that we are a strong community and we open arms to those who show love and are willing to humble themselves. I hope you'll join us.


  8. I'm not bullying anyone. I have every readon to be suspicious of a man who wrote a post where he said it was a bad idea to target geek culture as a mission field. It's possible that he was simply saying, Hey, I'm just a different variety of geek, but given the animosity and suspicion he demonstrated toward geek culture in a post that was only written back in January, I don't have any real objective reason to think so. If he's identifying in some way with geek culture now, why was he so dismissive if it as a mission field back in January?

    See, I'm not his friend so I notice things you gloss over.

    And for the record, while all of you guys tripped over yourselves to come to his defense against this “attack,” Mike's only comment was “Heh. I guess Tony Breeden is still trolling me.” Consistently dismissive. A bit egotistical. I doubt Mike feels like he's being bullied and this isn't the first time we've disagreed. We're both very passionate, articulate, and dare I say provocative personalities. When you accuse me of bullying him, you insult both of us.

    Right now, Realm Makers just sounds like an angry mistrustful place for someone like me. And while Mike never once voiced the slightest concern over my post, Realmies descended on me like a murder of winged monkeys. Open arms? Cue Admiral Ackbar's most famous line, and No thanks.


  9. Hmmm. I'm afraid I read his comments through the lens of E Stephen Burnett's interpretation of Mike's post:

    “And when we as Christians-who-are-fans speak of being “geeky,” or fully embrace the “geek” identity by name, we risk accidentally sidelining other family members.”

    So Burnett perhaps should've been more the subject of this post. Thdn again, back in January Mike Duran wrote a djsmissive post where he said he didn't think we should target geek culture as a mission field, so I was admittedly filtering his comments through that post.

    It's possible his post did nog intend to convey thst notionat all when he wrote “Memo to geek culture — don’t forget the strangers in your midst.” To be fair, the post by itself doesn't give me that impression, but then again it wasn't written in a vacuum. He was very dismissive of geek culture until this post.

    E Stephen Burnett definitely said it.



  10. I think the replies like this are because we are friends of Mike. Realm Makers is very welcoming, and we're a rather tight knight community so we support each other, and don't like to see it when someone publicly criticizes someone we consider a friend. From what I've seen, any time people do have a problem with someone, they tend to address the problem somewhat privately, not in a public blog post.


  11. Tony, you're my brother and friend, as are Mike and Stephen. I love ya man, so that's why I gotta say this. James 4:11 – “Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another.” You want to debate an idea, like the definition or merits of geekiness? Fine, go ahead. But you took it too far by making it personal and slandering your fellow believers. The point you were trying to make is overshadowed by that.


  12. I'm sorry. In what way did I libel him in this post? (In print, it's libel; weren't you listening to J Jonah Jameson?)

    I called him chubby; I'm also a large manmal. I suggested that he try more geek stuff rather than standing aloof from much if it. I said that his post was a bit unprofessional (I might have went a little over the top on that one). And I picked on his polo shirt because I'm not a Realmie and I had no idea that he was subject to a dress code for a particular part of Realm Makers because he didn't provide that context.

    So where did I libel him?

    Meanwhile, I have demonized a thousand times over for an alleged “attack” on a man whose only comment has been “Heh. It looks like Tony Breeden is still trolling me.” (I really wouldn't have the time.) You guys were more offended than he is! I'm pretty certain he doesn't feel as libeled or attacked as his friends suppose.

    Btw, I was reading this other verse in the Bible that tells us to judge fairly without respect of persons. I don't think any of these Realmies who descended on me like a murder of winged monkeys have ever really read that part of the Bible.

    But seriously, how did I libel him?


  13. This post is actually more about Lorehaven's public policy not to market to the geek culture it sells to lest they ostracize the generalist geeks. There's nothing wrong with generalist geeks, but I took offense to the fact that E Stephen Burnett singled out my kind of dyed-in-the-wool geek as being a negative association of the word geek. He also suggested that by having intense, nuanced geek conversations that we are somehow excluding the generalists and making them feel uncomfortable.

    Mike Duran was dragged into this by a quote Burnett included in his post. I am aware that Mike had previously written a post (at the beginning of this year) suggesting that we shouldn't affirm geek culture at all so I focused on the post Mike was cited from to further illustrate what I see as an alarming trend for geeks like me: the appropriation of geek culture while despising and excluding the geeks who created it.

    Thus, it was not a private issue I am addressing.

    As for your friend… The Bible declares several times that God is not a respecter of persons; He does not show partiality or favoritism, and neither should we.It also goes without saying that if you think publicly attacking someone is wrong, that I have been wronged several times over by Mike's Realmie friends. If anyone would need a safe space space at Realm Makers, it would appear to be me and I'm guessing anyone else who dares voice the fact that they are offended by a member of the Realmie harpy pit for Jesus. At least, that is the impression I've got from this encounter with Realmies.

    PS. I realize it was an unintentional spelling error, but the geek in me rather likes the idea of a “tight knight group.”


  14. You called Mike chubby, snobbish and mercenary. You questioned his faith. You made lots of other insinuations about him which I don't need to repeat. So yes, that's slander – making damaging statements about someone. Let me put this another way. 1 Thessalonians 5:11 says to “encourage one another and build each other up.” How has anything you've said about Mike or Stephen accomplished that? The problem as I see it is that you really didn't like Mike's or Stephen's *ideas* – which is fine. You've got your own ideas about geekdom and you felt passionate enough about them to make a statement. Also fine. But the first mistake you made is that you presumed their ideas were an attack on *you.* You've mentioned repeatedly how you were offended, as though they had named you specifically in their original posts (they hadn't), and you brought up abuse you've suffered (which truly is awful, and I'm sorry to hear about it). Then your second mistake was to not simply call out their ideas and debate them, but to attack *them* as persons. And hey, if I'm honest, I'm guilty of the same thing sometimes, so I'm not throwing stones. But I really don't like the strife that this is causing in the Christian geek-(however-you-define-it) world. Where are you going with this?


  15. I never questioned his faith. Feel free to point out where you suppose I did that. The comnent about him not wanting to be overtly Christian had a context: he identifies himself as a Christian who writes fiction rather than a Christian who writes Christian fiction. I did imply that he was mercenary to sell books to geeks while wanting no part of their culture. I explained why I came to that mistaken conclusion and also apologized in a follow-up post: http://tonybreeden.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-realmies-strike-back-lorehaven-and.html. I said that his statement felt snobbish in light of that self-same misunderstanding.

    I called him chubby, but, dude, I'm chubby; it's allowed.

    Even if I hadn't owned up to my mistake and apologized, I feel the need to challenge this stained-glass notion you have about insults. Jesus used insults, so why would insults necessarily be wrong? And do you know the definition of libel (As J Jonah Jameson noted, “Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel”)? It's making false statements that damage a person's reputation. It isn't mere insult If it had been true, it wouldn't have been libel. Likewise, I was stating how his words (in light of E Stephen Burnett's interpretation of Mike Duran's views) made me feel, which is also by definition not libel since what I stated about how it made me feel was not false. It's really how I felt.

    I felt that their ideas were an attack on all geeks. E Stephen Burnett singled out my kind of geek as being a negative association of the word geek and invoked the hurtful stereotype of the snobbish uber-geek without bothering to qualify that not all geeks who engage in nuanced conversations about their fandoms are snobbish. He stated that fully embracing the geek label or classifying speculative fiction genres as geeky was somehow sidelining those who weren't geeks and only enjoy speculative fiction genres for their own sake. He also basically answered the question posed in his post's title with, “No, Christian Fans should not call ourselves geeks” based on the negative associations he named. In short, I was personally offended and also outraged on behalf of all geeks like me because of the larger issues this raises.


  16. For the record, since I never chose the geek label, mostly because I grew up in an era where geek culture wasn't cool and I got beat up and persecuted daily just for being me, I kind of resent the whole however you define it thing. I never defined it (it's simply been who I am), but the treatment I've received because of it has certainly defined me. I'm not sure geeks who haven't lived my experience can fully understand how offensive it is that modern-day geeks feel like they can define it however they like when no such choice was ever given to those of us who've suffered for it.

    As to where I'm going with this, I'm asking Lorehaven not to propogate hurtful stereotypes that have been used to “other”, ostracize and demonize geeks like me in the past to justify the sort of abuse and exclusion geeks of my era have suffered. Unfortunately, E Stephen Burnett, Lorehaven's editor, did just that in his post and, well, sharing that particular part of Lorehaven's strategy was actually unnecessary. Nevertheless the majority of the Realmies who leapt to Mike Duran's defense also invoked that stereotype used in Burnett's post that geeks who engage in nuanced conversations about their fandoms are snobbish. At no point did he qualify his comments to note that not all geeks who engage in nuanced conversations about their fandoms are snobbish, mostly I imagine because it would've undermined his argument that distancing themselves from the geek label was necessary.

    Burnett claims that Lorehaven simply wishes to be all things to all people, but if that were true ge wouldn't have had to rely on a hurtful stereotype to make his argument.

    I refer you to the second part of this article (the link above) for clarification.

    In the meantime, know that I sought peace. I apologized publicly, linked the apology post to the Facebook thread that had been the locus of the argument, and closed the comments in the hopes that it would end the fight… only to have Ben Wolf, Lorehaven's founder and owner, re-post my apology post with his editorial comments, using it to cast aspersions on my judgment and to promote Lorehaven at my expense. I've asked that his post be taken down, especially after Wolf refused to answer how he would feel if his apology were cast in his face as he did to me.

    Think about that for a moment.


  17. I really enjoyed reading your posts, Tony. I identify kind of as 'geek' only other people just think of me as a freak— I have Asperger Syndrome, a form of autism. If geeks can be accepted in the Christian community, then I feel maybe I could be accepted instead of folks demanding I make changes I cannot make because of my disability to prove I'm a 'real' Christian. I think it is perfectly acceptable to express one's pro-geeky opinion. It is also not a mortal sin to criticize Mike Duran. I've read Duran's blog, he says a lot of controversial things. That's why his blog is popular. Tony, you've been trying to do the right thing here and certain people are not treating you the way Christians should treat others. That bothers me.


  18. “however you define it” // I'm not meaning to sound dismissive, and sorry if I did, just that I don't want to get into the debate about geekiness. Honestly, my main objective here is trying to help you make your argument in a better way (as you often do on your Exotheology blog), in this case by pointing out where you're needlessly burning bridges. If you look at articles on SpecFaith, they go after all kinds of issues – but they don't make it personal that I've seen.

    “I apologized publicly” // You mean this? –> “let me make it clear that I will not be apologizing for anything in that post. Except the polo shirt thing.” (from your Part 2)

    “Jesus used insults” // Good luck with that.

    “Nevertheless the Realmies…Ben Wolf…winged monkeys” // Not sure why you're complaining to me about what others write to you. I'm just getting to know the Realm Makers group, and I wasn't able to go to the conference this year. They're a pretty diverse bunch, though, and in recent weeks there's been quite the heated discussion about any number of other topics. What's been interesting to me, though, is that even those who strongly disagreed with Mike on those other topics (including Ben), spoke up for him here. Food for thought.


  19. I apologised for misrepresenting his argument because I interpreted his views through the filter Stephen Burnett provided which turned out to be misleading. This is still my fault for not researching the matter better as I usually do.

    Jesus did use insults: https://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/are-christians-too-nice/

    I was wrong about Mike's views (and I bothered to explain how I came to that conclusion). It certainly distracted me and my readers from the real issue. That does not excuse the fact that if Realmies thought it was wrong to attack Mike, they certainly had no qualms about attacking me tenfold for a slight he's yet to complain about. Mike and I have gone rounds before. We're both passionate, articulate and dare I say provocative personalities. I'm not entirely sure why they felt he needed someone else to defend him.

    I see you missed my point that the majority cited the stereotype of uber-geek snobbery utilized in Burnett's post. Did it occur to you that the othering that stereotype engenders allowed Realmies to get as nasty in their responses as they did? As someone with more experience being on the receiving end of this than you would ever believe, trust me when I say that my alarm bells are ringing.

    Ben has made it clear in his tactics since I posted my apology that his real concern is that I might sully Lorehaven's image.

    I don't care to discuss Mike Duran any further. If my apology is lacking in your sight, I don't know what to tell you.


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